→ 6月 2012
I was going to post this as a reply to one of the posts in the freelice tag, but I no longer see the post
Thanks tumblr >:c work out your glitches. Anyway, it was concerning an ask a freelice blog posted about what might happen to her fanbase if felice were heavier. This was my response :
I think i’m going to input something here as well. Although, I don’t think Felice would lose /all/ of her fans if she were to gain weight, the other day I did notice something in the Aly Antorcha tag. A lot of these fans hold really ephemeral, short-lasting, feelings for/towards the ‘famous’ person. They (the tumblr famous) are indeed made into objects at that point, where people will admire and gawk at their pictures, at least at the moment, until someone else pops up whom the individual followers deem to be better than that individual who, used to hold their interest, at least more of their interest. When I saw this it did kind of make me sad, you can’t deny though, some people really are that shallow: http://yuripleskun.tumblr.com/ for those who don’t want to invade this girl’s blog:
Not to say all fans are, or even that a majority are, but understand that this is tumblr, there are superficial people on here…Kinda saddening, but honest. I think, when I say saddening though, is the fact that they need to compare these physical features of these individuals and give these girls values based on how they look. Needless to say, I bet that girl gained followers.This is how I feel about some of Felice’s fans, especially those who see her and her images as merely ‘thinspo’ . I think, we can all at least agree to this, right?
Note: This is not about the girl, or Aly, but a post on shallow followers D: Clarifying.
→ 6月 2012
imsotruthfulithurts:
Ok, then. If you think a submission is not part of the “truth” Freelice is trying to spread then it’s fine. Just know that it’s on your blog, and I think it’s body shaming to call her picture thinspo against her will.
It’s completely hypocritical and illogical in my humble opinion, but even…
I think you make really great claims, and I should point out , that these are my thoughts on this post. I think I’ve agreed with you on some parts as well.
Truth: Felice Fawn’s pictures can be used as, and therefore, are media materials that can be used and called thinspirational. For this, we must actually look at the definition(s) of Thinspiration.
1. noun
inspiration which comes from somebody who is very thin. A blend of the words ‘thin’ and ‘inspiration’
Thinspo is a abbrievation for Thinspiration.
Thinspiration is two words put together to create a simular but different meaning. Thin and inspiration.
Thinspo is used by people suffering from eating disorders to help keep them inspired.
The idea behind thinspo is that it helps motivate and inspire you to lose weight and become or stay thin.
Thinspo is usually of photos of skinny or bony celebrities or models.
3.Thinspiration: Photographs or other material intended to provide inspiration for anorexia nervosa, or an ED, as a lifestyle choice.
Regarding intention, you’re right, there is no way we can objectively conclude that these were her intentions, as much as you can’t objectively conclude it. Much like in sociological interviews concerning race relations, or gender relations, most people will not openly state that they are doing something that they know most of society deems to be wrongful. With that, it is best that we not take intention into consideration, as they do, and look to see if such an image can still be considered thinspiration even if intention is not a factor, as per the definition(s).
Images are coined thinspirational regardless of the image owner’s will. Will cannot command fact, and we are not shaming her body when we state and make the assertive statements that these images she posts are used as and therefore are thinspirational. Has she not acknowledged that very fact before as well? She, however, hasn’t done anything to minimize it besides make a few statements, in the past (from what I remember) saying that people should stop tagging and using her pictures as thinspo, and only RECENTLY, has she begun to just state, if I trigger you just unfollow me, which to me is not an improved way to handle such a situation. She honestly handled it better in the past.
As pertaining to your point on truth, I think it’s best characterised by a Tim O’Brien quote:
““In any war story, but especially a true one, it’s difficult to separate what happened from what seemed to happen. What seems to happen becomes its own happening and has to be told that way. The angles of vision are skewed. When a booby trap explodes, you close your eyes and duck and float outside yourself. .. The pictures get jumbled, you tend to miss a lot. And then afterward, when you go to tell about it, there is always that surreal seemingness, which makes the story seem untrue, but which in fact represents the hard and exact truth as it seemed.”
-The things they carried
It’s not about objective truth /only/. There are also relative subjective truths that people see and experience. These things are not any less truth than someone else’s truth. It’s not gossip, it’s the truth as it seems, as she’s allowed it to appear on the internet. You’re right, there’s no way for /any/ of us to know an objective truth about any of the girls, or any anti-freelice blogs about any of us. However, whether it’s a complaint because you feel like you were overlooked, or a complaint about being scammed, all of these are truths, and not any less important than any other truth. That is, the truth.
I think when it comes to your point about her claim that she did not blame anyone, it’s just that, a claim. We have no way of finding out whether that position is true or something she is merely saying to enhance or justify her point int that whole paper (which I feel never really addressed the /real/ issue(s)-the2ndhalf specifically- )
I think the people who have been triggered shouldn’t be directed to her story, which has some triggering numbers and statements in it as well. I think they should express themselves, and if it is how they feel, then why can’t they feel that way?
I think this is where the second portion of the freelice community which is currently underway will become the most effective and I encourage you to help out as much, or anyone who has experience with helping others. Understanding roots will help you acknowledge and face the issues. We’re going to try to do something positive and go out of our way to dig through tumblr helping people or just engaging people, and listening to people’s stories , and just trying to give a nice flow of positivity and support for anyone who needs it. Which is why as much help as possible from any spectrum is needed. The freelice community has talked about this for months. We do not consider any body type more perfect than any other body type, not everyone will consider Felice’s body as ‘perfect’ either, I recognize this as an opinion. It is true though ,that many do see her body as an ideal, (see the analytics post I made concerning what people were googling in conjunction with felice’s name the most, I want to do a followup post). This idealisation of her body existed long before freelice began criticizing the way she poses, not her body,from what I’ve seen, just to correct your diction (better to be precise rather than mislead on that point). I’m not sure how criticizing her posing in a way that causes others to fall into a painful self-destructive pattern (again) turns her into an object of desire. Can you clarify that point? Honestly, if she were heavier, I think she’d be happier, and she’d not really even be on tumblr but enjoying life itself. I, personally, believe if she were heavier she’d be in a better position in life on an emotional, physical, and mental level. Yes, that was an opinion D: .
I think…dealing with an ED (once already established and as you work towards recovery) is much more than realizing that fact though. You’re right that these norms should be challenged, but I don’t think the people being triggered even have beauty standards in mind, or just have them in mind, when they are getting triggered, or even during their time within that mindset… I think that paragraph is more fit for those who seek to lose weight and are considering dangerous methods, or even those girls who are not losing weight, just so they’ll accept that as well. There are inner factors as well, you reduced them, by writing this paragraph which centers around combatting physical norms, the same way, you noted that the freelice blog
blog shouldn’t :
“Anorexia is complicated, its onset is not simple and shouldn’t be reduced to trying to attain only physical perfection. “
Well if you see any tumblr famous, individuals posting thinspiration then please feel free to post about them as well. We only know whatever information comes to us, and whatever information we look into. There was another girl whose photos were compared to that of Felice’s , unlike Felice though she issued a formal apology to both her followers and anyone affected, and did make the effort to remove images deemed as thinspo off her blog. If you know of any others just make a post and we’ll spread the word, or tell us about them. It doesn’t matter as it all serves to help the general populus in one way or another.
Felice isn’t an exception, if she just assumed responsibility for her actions, then we would stop. If she fixed her scamming, and tried at least to be careful about the images she posts then we’d have no issues. During the Aly Antorcha incident, when she first apologized, many blogs stopped talking about her and felt she was sincere. It wasn’t until time passed and no actions seem to prove her apology as true, but rather , they pointed to the fact that she only said what she said to get off, then she was being talked about again. I remember that.
Your last paragraph is skewed, since the screenshot shows otherwise. I’ll point out what I mean. Yu said that Failice called “Felice’s pictures blatant thinspiration because she’s showing off her skinny body”, which is not true as evident by the screencap. The highlighted portion stated it is in the way she POSES, not, that she is posting pics of her self and being thin. Her pics could be used to rase awareness, but they are not, will you or she be the first to do so? I know her pic with her in the headdress were used to raise awareness of cultural appropriation. I still think Freelice’s belief that she should, at least consider her followers and try not to pose in such a way, is reasonable. It’s not like she hasn’t been capable of doing it before. It’s not outrageous, it’s reasonable, and that’s what I’ll say of it. (See the image of her with the bob with all her stuff on and ready to go, the recent photos in turkey which haven’t been, from what I remember, save for one possible one. The photos Merry made for her portfolio. So, it’s not like she has to pose in those ways to remain fairly well liked. s:
I understand that this is your truth as it appears to you, but I just wanted to get my feelings out. I don’t think I’ll bother you again with my feelings unless there’s something I want to get out or discuss, again. It was a pleasant read, a different perspective, I think for most of these blogs, there’s an issue of semantics, so we should start defining how we use certain words more clearly, including myself apparently D:.
→ 5月 2012
Freelice Community and/or Followers- I need some help [Nothing serious]
I know there has been talks and the likes about doing something positive as a group, or shed light on positive people, and so on. Therefore, I decided to set up this project, but I can’t do it alone >.<
Some things I would like to ask you guys first are:
1. What would you name a group or project aimed at helping , understanding, and showing compassion towards others?
2. Would any of you be interested in helping me set it up/moderate the official tumblr for it. Idk how many mods you can add in total to a blog, but i’ll add you all if you so wish it xP (after the blog has been made though D:)
3. What do you wish people understood better/more about ? What do you wish you understood more about? (List 2 for each please)
4. Is this to be an every day, or once a week event? Every 3 days? Every bi-week? (I figured we’d adjust it when things got a bit more busy or non-busy
5. Do you have any special training? Experience in helping others? (This is not necessary, since one doesn’t have to have any sort of experience in order to be able to help, but I think if you have done peer mediating or anything of the sort it should be noted )
6. If you could do 3 things to help tumblr individual(s) what would it be? (No specific type or problem, this is up to the individual)
7. Are you willing to do a large amount of good without getting acknowledged for it, as you will be under the guise of anonymity, and still find it worth it? (Anonymity helps establish genuine interest in helping others, and removes the focus off the person helping and what praise they’ll receive afterwards, and to the person they are helping.)
Ah, that’s all I can think of right now, I won’t spam questions. Please feel free to answer them and leave the answer in my inbox D: I’ll tabulate the results and we can come to a group decision as soon as I get the next post posted. We’re just starting to move the gears and get things set, hopefully this will be great.
I will add, that many of the original ideas that people had such as highlighting a positive role-model will also be in this blog. I hope for this to be a side blog, that all the freelice blogs and followers and even anti-freelicers can participate in. This is about all around tumblr positivity, not for the sake of looking good, but for the sake of being good. If you are interested, please reblog. If you want to answer the questions (I’ll appreciate it so muchhh DX ) please send me a message . They won’t be published but they’ll be tabulated and I’ll post the overall results.
Once the blog is made i’ll start adding the mods, and then we can start slowly but surely. Nonprofitting and non-praise seeking. People , helping, people. No one should feel like they’re alone in the world , let’s try to do our best or shed some positivity, understanding, and help on tumblr :) .
Addendum: There will be some rules and regulations to this, I think they are necessary, like the anonymity rule, and I have a few others in mind.
